Robonova VS JR RB1000.

RB1000, VS-H8PWM28V2 controller, DSR and RDS servos
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Robonova VS JR RB1000.

Post by SirAho » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:48 pm

Post by SirAho
Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:48 pm

Hi all!

I've been thinking of buying a RN for some time now, but today I saw JR RB1000 for almost the same price. Does anyone any experience of JR RB1000 (http://www.jrpropo.co.jp/robot/index.html)?

The thing that annoys me with RN is I can't program it in a easy way in C. But I think JR RB1000 has the same "problem".

The biggest lost with the JR RB1000 is the support of this nice forum (;_;)

//SirAho
Hi all!

I've been thinking of buying a RN for some time now, but today I saw JR RB1000 for almost the same price. Does anyone any experience of JR RB1000 (http://www.jrpropo.co.jp/robot/index.html)?

The thing that annoys me with RN is I can't program it in a easy way in C. But I think JR RB1000 has the same "problem".

The biggest lost with the JR RB1000 is the support of this nice forum (;_;)

//SirAho
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Post by Gil » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:20 pm

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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:20 pm

Unfortunately I can't read japanese but stumbling around the site I found in what seem to be the servo specs:

DSR8801 オープン価格
●寸法 : 32.7×21×40.5mm
トルク : 28.5kg
スピード:0.14s/60°
●重量 : 66g
●最大動作角 : 180゜
●動作電圧 : 4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式 : PWM
●リード線長 : 30cm
※フリーホーンはオプションです

Holy ****! 28.5kg and 0.14s to 60!?? 8O


But I'm not sure the robot uses these. I think instead it uses

RBS581
寸法:38×19×38.5mm ●トルク:9.2kg・cm
●スピード:0.11S/60°●重量:42g ●最大動作力:180°
●最大電圧:4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式:PWM ●リード線長:40cm
Unfortunately I can't read japanese but stumbling around the site I found in what seem to be the servo specs:

DSR8801 オープン価格
●寸法 : 32.7×21×40.5mm
トルク : 28.5kg
スピード:0.14s/60°
●重量 : 66g
●最大動作角 : 180゜
●動作電圧 : 4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式 : PWM
●リード線長 : 30cm
※フリーホーンはオプションです

Holy ****! 28.5kg and 0.14s to 60!?? 8O


But I'm not sure the robot uses these. I think instead it uses

RBS581
寸法:38×19×38.5mm ●トルク:9.2kg・cm
●スピード:0.11S/60°●重量:42g ●最大動作力:180°
●最大電圧:4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式:PWM ●リード線長:40cm
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Post by Lomruz » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:19 am

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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:19 am

I've read the specs, it turns out that the robo market is getting bigger and better...so we may safely assume a new bot on the block will appear every six months or so...that's good for us robo fans...diversity is fun!

Since this is a Robonova forum, I opted not to post the english version of the text above which refers to a new bot. (The General discussion forum can be utilized instead).

The following link can be used if you wish to translate japanese to english...

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/
I've read the specs, it turns out that the robo market is getting bigger and better...so we may safely assume a new bot on the block will appear every six months or so...that's good for us robo fans...diversity is fun!

Since this is a Robonova forum, I opted not to post the english version of the text above which refers to a new bot. (The General discussion forum can be utilized instead).

The following link can be used if you wish to translate japanese to english...

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/
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Post by Guest » Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:33 am

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Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:33 am

Gil wrote:Unfortunately I can't read japanese but stumbling around the site I found in what seem to be the servo specs:

DSR8801 オープン価格
●寸法 : 32.7×21×40.5mm
トルク : 28.5kg
スピード:0.14s/60°
●重量 : 66g
●最大動作角 : 180゜
●動作電圧 : 4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式 : PWM
●リード線長 : 30cm
※フリーホーンはオプションです

Holy ****! 28.5kg and 0.14s to 60!?? 8O


But I'm not sure the robot uses these. I think instead it uses

RBS581
寸法:38×19×38.5mm ●トルク:9.2kg・cm
●スピード:0.11S/60°●重量:42g ●最大動作力:180°
●最大電圧:4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式:PWM ●リード線長:40cm


The RB1000 uses the RBS581 servos, not the DSR8801.
Gil wrote:Unfortunately I can't read japanese but stumbling around the site I found in what seem to be the servo specs:

DSR8801 オープン価格
●寸法 : 32.7×21×40.5mm
トルク : 28.5kg
スピード:0.14s/60°
●重量 : 66g
●最大動作角 : 180゜
●動作電圧 : 4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式 : PWM
●リード線長 : 30cm
※フリーホーンはオプションです

Holy ****! 28.5kg and 0.14s to 60!?? 8O


But I'm not sure the robot uses these. I think instead it uses

RBS581
寸法:38×19×38.5mm ●トルク:9.2kg・cm
●スピード:0.11S/60°●重量:42g ●最大動作力:180°
●最大電圧:4V~9V(7.4V測定)
●制御方式:PWM ●リード線長:40cm


The RB1000 uses the RBS581 servos, not the DSR8801.
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Post by Gil » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:09 am

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Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:09 am

I suppose it does. It would have been the buy of the century if it did at the pricetag of the RN1 :lol:


Still RB1000 looks pretty "cheap" in the plastics department but maybe it's just the lighting
I suppose it does. It would have been the buy of the century if it did at the pricetag of the RN1 :lol:


Still RB1000 looks pretty "cheap" in the plastics department but maybe it's just the lighting
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Post by oliver_s » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:38 am

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Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:38 am

The DSR8801 servos are about £75-80 each. The chapest I have found is 6 for £384 (64 each). This isnt too bad considering replacement Robonova ones are £45 and 1/3 of the torque.

If you were building a robot you wouldn't need those for every servo, I would only use them on the load bearing legs. The arm servos could be lighter use (cheaper) ones.

How I need a trip to Akihabara, will have to wait 6 months for the prices to come down.
The DSR8801 servos are about £75-80 each. The chapest I have found is 6 for £384 (64 each). This isnt too bad considering replacement Robonova ones are £45 and 1/3 of the torque.

If you were building a robot you wouldn't need those for every servo, I would only use them on the load bearing legs. The arm servos could be lighter use (cheaper) ones.

How I need a trip to Akihabara, will have to wait 6 months for the prices to come down.
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Post by gsferrari » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:26 pm

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Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:26 pm

OOOH!!!


1] The lower limb articulation - additional DOFs at the hips to rotate the legs around the vertical axis - I am CRAZY about this feature and I feel sad that the RN1 doesnt have it...yet...It would require a major redesign of the Rn1 to include something like that. Possible...but not probable.

2] Looks like the body is aluminum. Look closely - doesnt look like plastic. Correct me if I am wrong.

3] Price is good - it appears to be a similar platform to the Omnizero.2 and other V-Stone robots. The price is very attractive...I might sell my RN1 to make way for this bad boy!!
OOOH!!!


1] The lower limb articulation - additional DOFs at the hips to rotate the legs around the vertical axis - I am CRAZY about this feature and I feel sad that the RN1 doesnt have it...yet...It would require a major redesign of the Rn1 to include something like that. Possible...but not probable.

2] Looks like the body is aluminum. Look closely - doesnt look like plastic. Correct me if I am wrong.

3] Price is good - it appears to be a similar platform to the Omnizero.2 and other V-Stone robots. The price is very attractive...I might sell my RN1 to make way for this bad boy!!
Robonova terrorizes the office...coming up!!
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Post by Gil » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:39 pm

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Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:39 pm

:o
Now I'm seriously doubting my choice to buy a RN1 soon.
:o
Now I'm seriously doubting my choice to buy a RN1 soon.
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Post by gsferrari » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:15 pm

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Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:15 pm

Gil wrote::o
Now I'm seriously doubting my choice to buy a RN1 soon.


Funny how the consumer robotics industry is turning into something quite similar to the PC industry :)

Something bigger and badder will always be coming along I suppose...

The RN1 is still the better platform because:

* Well established documentation
* More customers
* Unquestionable support
* Easy to acquire spare parts
* Robosavvy.com :)

I have always wanted a second robot...came close to getting the Bioloid and backed out - perhaps this robot will become #1...relegating Robonova to the #2 slot in my heart.

I dunno...I still prefer the "cosmetics" of the Robonova. He looks like he means business. Once Matt's grippers show up on his hands - the "badness" meter will go off the scale.

Matt's worked on so much stuff - I think it is only fair that I try to incorporate what I have always wanted on my Robonova - leg-rotation.

Off to the drawing board then!! :twisted:
Gil wrote::o
Now I'm seriously doubting my choice to buy a RN1 soon.


Funny how the consumer robotics industry is turning into something quite similar to the PC industry :)

Something bigger and badder will always be coming along I suppose...

The RN1 is still the better platform because:

* Well established documentation
* More customers
* Unquestionable support
* Easy to acquire spare parts
* Robosavvy.com :)

I have always wanted a second robot...came close to getting the Bioloid and backed out - perhaps this robot will become #1...relegating Robonova to the #2 slot in my heart.

I dunno...I still prefer the "cosmetics" of the Robonova. He looks like he means business. Once Matt's grippers show up on his hands - the "badness" meter will go off the scale.

Matt's worked on so much stuff - I think it is only fair that I try to incorporate what I have always wanted on my Robonova - leg-rotation.

Off to the drawing board then!! :twisted:
Robonova terrorizes the office...coming up!!
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Post by Gil » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:36 pm

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Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:36 pm

gsferrari wrote:
Gil wrote::o
Now I'm seriously doubting my choice to buy a RN1 soon.


Funny how the consumer robotics industry is turning into something quite similar to the PC industry :)

True but at least in the PC market you can keep old components because they're interoperable.

The RN1 is still the better platform because:
* Well established documentation

Where? :lol:

* More customers

True

* Unquestionable support
* Easy to acquire spare parts

Don't know about how support applies to me for example. If I want to get a RN1 I have to "smuggle it" to my country since nobody delivers here :(
That probably also means very hard to get support.

* Robosavvy.com :)

True :D

I dunno...I still prefer the "cosmetics" of the Robonova. He looks like he means business. Once Matt's grippers show up on his hands - the "badness" meter will go off the scale.

True it does look a lot better but looks are the easiest to change. Also the RB1000 looks like it can take grippers a lot easier than the RN1
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Gil wrote::o
Now I'm seriously doubting my choice to buy a RN1 soon.


Funny how the consumer robotics industry is turning into something quite similar to the PC industry :)

True but at least in the PC market you can keep old components because they're interoperable.

The RN1 is still the better platform because:
* Well established documentation

Where? :lol:

* More customers

True

* Unquestionable support
* Easy to acquire spare parts

Don't know about how support applies to me for example. If I want to get a RN1 I have to "smuggle it" to my country since nobody delivers here :(
That probably also means very hard to get support.

* Robosavvy.com :)

True :D

I dunno...I still prefer the "cosmetics" of the Robonova. He looks like he means business. Once Matt's grippers show up on his hands - the "badness" meter will go off the scale.

True it does look a lot better but looks are the easiest to change. Also the RB1000 looks like it can take grippers a lot easier than the RN1
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Post by SirAho » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:12 pm

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Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:12 pm

Some nice things you will find on RN and not on RB100:

1) I2C
2) HMI (Hitec Multi protocal interface)
3) 8 Analog inputs (0 on RB1000)
4) An extra UART

Some nice things you will find on RB1000:

1) 28 servo connections (RN 24)
2) 2 accelerating sensors on the board.
3) An 8ch port for radio controller.

Did I forget anything and is it correct?

SirAho

PS:
Last evening I showed the RN dancing video for my sisters daughter. She is only 20 month old. She liked it so much that she watch it 3 times in a row! The 3rd time she dance like the RN while she was watching them. After that she said: Robot, funny! :D
Some nice things you will find on RN and not on RB100:

1) I2C
2) HMI (Hitec Multi protocal interface)
3) 8 Analog inputs (0 on RB1000)
4) An extra UART

Some nice things you will find on RB1000:

1) 28 servo connections (RN 24)
2) 2 accelerating sensors on the board.
3) An 8ch port for radio controller.

Did I forget anything and is it correct?

SirAho

PS:
Last evening I showed the RN dancing video for my sisters daughter. She is only 20 month old. She liked it so much that she watch it 3 times in a row! The 3rd time she dance like the RN while she was watching them. After that she said: Robot, funny! :D
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Post by Toukisarchu » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:47 pm

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If you were planning to use the robot for battle then I would suggest the RB100 with the better servos. It seems the RB100 is built more for radio control more then autonomy. Otherwise go with the robonova if your looking to experiment a little.
If you were planning to use the robot for battle then I would suggest the RB100 with the better servos. It seems the RB100 is built more for radio control more then autonomy. Otherwise go with the robonova if your looking to experiment a little.
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Post by limor » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:18 am

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Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:18 am

Gil wrote::o
Don't know about how support applies to me for example. If I want to get a RN1 I have to "smuggle it" to my country since nobody delivers here :(
That probably also means very hard to get support.


What country?!
pls send me an email.. :wink:
Gil wrote::o
Don't know about how support applies to me for example. If I want to get a RN1 I have to "smuggle it" to my country since nobody delivers here :(
That probably also means very hard to get support.


What country?!
pls send me an email.. :wink:
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Post by gsferrari » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:24 am

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Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:24 am

Gil wrote:Don't know about how support applies to me for example. If I want to get a RN1 I have to "smuggle it" to my country since nobody delivers here :(
That probably also means very hard to get support.


I dont think Hitec or any other consumer robot manufacturer makes a distinction based on country of origin. The hard part for you may be getting the robot in and out of your country for service etc.

Where are you from anyway? I face the same problem in my home country - India...

Thats why I am here in USA :p
Gil wrote:Don't know about how support applies to me for example. If I want to get a RN1 I have to "smuggle it" to my country since nobody delivers here :(
That probably also means very hard to get support.


I dont think Hitec or any other consumer robot manufacturer makes a distinction based on country of origin. The hard part for you may be getting the robot in and out of your country for service etc.

Where are you from anyway? I face the same problem in my home country - India...

Thats why I am here in USA :p
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