KHR-3HV documentation language

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KHR-3HV documentation language

Post by Pskonejott » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:44 am

Post by Pskonejott
Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:44 am

So what's the deal with the KHR-3, what of the supplied documentation/software is in English and what isn't?
So what's the deal with the KHR-3, what of the supplied documentation/software is in English and what isn't?
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Post by silveranim » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:46 pm

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Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:46 pm

hi...yes i have the same problem.... :cry: .i´ve got my khr-3hv this week...
from robosavvy...and the manual and...the biggest problem...the software ist in japanese....it´s absolut not possible to work with this...

please, please .....where is the english software...and manual!!!!!
hi...yes i have the same problem.... :cry: .i´ve got my khr-3hv this week...
from robosavvy...and the manual and...the biggest problem...the software ist in japanese....it´s absolut not possible to work with this...

please, please .....where is the english software...and manual!!!!!
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Post by Terry » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:29 am

Post by Terry
Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:29 am

Any news on this? I have a KHR-3HV right waitin in my Robosavvy cart, but I won't complete the order until the english SW/Manual are available.

Latest news from http://www.ixs.co.jp:
[2009/9/10]

KHR-3HV English documents and softwares.

The documents and softwares for KHR-3HV has been translating into English. We will inform when we have completed it on this page.



Thx

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Any news on this? I have a KHR-3HV right waitin in my Robosavvy cart, but I won't complete the order until the english SW/Manual are available.

Latest news from http://www.ixs.co.jp:
[2009/9/10]

KHR-3HV English documents and softwares.

The documents and softwares for KHR-3HV has been translating into English. We will inform when we have completed it on this page.



Thx

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Post by PedroR » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:01 pm

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Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:01 pm

Hi all

We have just received the news from the Manufacturer that the English Manuals for KHR 3HV and H2H 4 are being released this week.

H2H 4 software is still in Japanese but with the English Manual you will finally be able to make full use of it!

Regards
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Hi all

We have just received the news from the Manufacturer that the English Manuals for KHR 3HV and H2H 4 are being released this week.

H2H 4 software is still in Japanese but with the English Manual you will finally be able to make full use of it!

Regards
Pedro.
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Post by chrisvo » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:52 am

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:52 am

Since HTH4 is a .NET application I was able to extract some of the resources from the Japanese version and translate some of it to English. Things like the drop down menus, some messages and prompts, and toolbars.

Here's a screenshot of my progress so far:
http://imgur.com/Z31T4

It does not require modification of Heart2Heart, I only created drop-in satellite assemblies (.dll and .resource) files that are automatically loaded from C:\Program Files\HeartToHeart4\en on program start
Since HTH4 is a .NET application I was able to extract some of the resources from the Japanese version and translate some of it to English. Things like the drop down menus, some messages and prompts, and toolbars.

Here's a screenshot of my progress so far:
http://imgur.com/Z31T4

It does not require modification of Heart2Heart, I only created drop-in satellite assemblies (.dll and .resource) files that are automatically loaded from C:\Program Files\HeartToHeart4\en on program start
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Post by PedroR » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:36 am

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:36 am

Hi Chrisvo

These are great news ;)

Do you have the files and (maybe) some setup instructions that you could share with us?

Cheers
Pedro.

BTW: out of topic, the screenshot is for a windows xp running parallels right??
Hi Chrisvo

These are great news ;)

Do you have the files and (maybe) some setup instructions that you could share with us?

Cheers
Pedro.

BTW: out of topic, the screenshot is for a windows xp running parallels right??
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Post by chrisvo » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:55 am

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:55 am

PedroR:

I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox on Linux.

I haven't yet been able to translate many of the menus in HTH4, such as the project configuration dialog (the wrench button). They were not marked "localizable". I can try posting my current progress later on this week

What I would like for Christmas is an RCB-4 Command Reference in English, but I am pretty sure Kondo isn't releasing that soon...
PedroR:

I'm running Windows XP in VirtualBox on Linux.

I haven't yet been able to translate many of the menus in HTH4, such as the project configuration dialog (the wrench button). They were not marked "localizable". I can try posting my current progress later on this week

What I would like for Christmas is an RCB-4 Command Reference in English, but I am pretty sure Kondo isn't releasing that soon...
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Post by PedroR » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:08 am

Post by PedroR
Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:08 am

Hi Chris

In addition to that we would also like to see the Protocol Structure for ICS 3.0 in English too, so we can use it on the Roboard...

Another bit of information missing are instructions on changing the IDs on servos. Because servos are now in a daisy chain, each servo has an ID.
If you want to customize your robot with more DoFs (lets say > 22) you need to get more stand alone servos (that come with a default ID) and reprogram their IDs to unique IDs on your chain.
The procedure to this is also unknown at this time.

(this does NOT affect however the 5 Servo Expansion set for KHR 3HV. This expansion set already has all servos pre programmed with the correct IDs so it works perfectly fine).

For now I think we can be very happy to have the English docs finally available :)

Regards
Pedro.
Hi Chris

In addition to that we would also like to see the Protocol Structure for ICS 3.0 in English too, so we can use it on the Roboard...

Another bit of information missing are instructions on changing the IDs on servos. Because servos are now in a daisy chain, each servo has an ID.
If you want to customize your robot with more DoFs (lets say > 22) you need to get more stand alone servos (that come with a default ID) and reprogram their IDs to unique IDs on your chain.
The procedure to this is also unknown at this time.

(this does NOT affect however the 5 Servo Expansion set for KHR 3HV. This expansion set already has all servos pre programmed with the correct IDs so it works perfectly fine).

For now I think we can be very happy to have the English docs finally available :)

Regards
Pedro.
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Post by chrisvo » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:20 pm

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:20 pm

Here's some various data I gathered about the serial servo byte codes from HTH4 regarding ICS 3.0 commands (I have never tried these so I'm not sure about the accuracy of them or the process you need to use to communicate with the servos):

Commands appear to be 4 bytes long.

Main commands:
Get parameter: 0xa0
Set parameter: 0xc0
ID (base): 0xe0
Position (base): 0x80

Sub commands (for get/set parameter):
Get/Set EEPROM: 0x0
Get/Set Stretch: 0x1
Get/Set Speed: 0x2
Get/Set Temperature: 0x3

Example get / set position:
Get: {0x80 & id, 0, 0, 0}
Set: {0x80 & id, (pos >> 0x7) & 0x1f, pos & 0x1f, 0, 0}
Example using subcommands:
Get: {0xa0 & id, subcommand, 0, 0}
Set: {0xc0 & id, subcommand, data, 0}
Example getting / setting ID:
Get: {0xe0 & id, 0, 0, 0}
Set: {0xe0 & id, 1, 1, 1}
Here's some various data I gathered about the serial servo byte codes from HTH4 regarding ICS 3.0 commands (I have never tried these so I'm not sure about the accuracy of them or the process you need to use to communicate with the servos):

Commands appear to be 4 bytes long.

Main commands:
Get parameter: 0xa0
Set parameter: 0xc0
ID (base): 0xe0
Position (base): 0x80

Sub commands (for get/set parameter):
Get/Set EEPROM: 0x0
Get/Set Stretch: 0x1
Get/Set Speed: 0x2
Get/Set Temperature: 0x3

Example get / set position:
Get: {0x80 & id, 0, 0, 0}
Set: {0x80 & id, (pos >> 0x7) & 0x1f, pos & 0x1f, 0, 0}
Example using subcommands:
Get: {0xa0 & id, subcommand, 0, 0}
Set: {0xc0 & id, subcommand, data, 0}
Example getting / setting ID:
Get: {0xe0 & id, 0, 0, 0}
Set: {0xe0 & id, 1, 1, 1}
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Post by chrisvo » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:26 pm

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:26 pm

By the way I'm working on a C library (for Linux and OS X) to talk to the RCB-4. Do you know if Kondo is going to release a command reference soon? Even a little bit of info about the RCB-4 commands would be fine, even if it is in Japanese - It's (a little bit) easier to translate Japanese than stare at byte codes all day long trying to reverse engineer the protocol...
By the way I'm working on a C library (for Linux and OS X) to talk to the RCB-4. Do you know if Kondo is going to release a command reference soon? Even a little bit of info about the RCB-4 commands would be fine, even if it is in Japanese - It's (a little bit) easier to translate Japanese than stare at byte codes all day long trying to reverse engineer the protocol...
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Post by PedroR » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:36 pm

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Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:36 pm

Hi all

Kondo has finally released the English Documentation for KHR 3HV.

The documentation currently available includes the KHR 3HV Users Manual and the Heart to Heart 4 Users Manual.

We are not authorized to distribute the manuals publicly at this point but we are suppling them - privately - to all future customers who purchase a KHR 3HV as well as previous customers who have purchased a KHR 3HV from us (Robosavvy).

Regards
Pedro
Hi all

Kondo has finally released the English Documentation for KHR 3HV.

The documentation currently available includes the KHR 3HV Users Manual and the Heart to Heart 4 Users Manual.

We are not authorized to distribute the manuals publicly at this point but we are suppling them - privately - to all future customers who purchase a KHR 3HV as well as previous customers who have purchased a KHR 3HV from us (Robosavvy).

Regards
Pedro
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Progress on translation

Post by chrisvo » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:20 am

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Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:20 am

I made a bit more progress in the translation of HTH4 to English. Was able to modify in the assembly code. So I got the project settings dialog finally translated!
I made a bit more progress in the translation of HTH4 to English. Was able to modify in the assembly code. So I got the project settings dialog finally translated!
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Translation Complete

Post by chrisvo » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:27 pm

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Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:27 pm

I just finished translating HTH4 into English. It's 99% complete except for the 15 toolbox description texts because it appears that the program uses those descriptions in the motion files and HTH4 crashes upon loading the motion files because it can't find the tools that the motion files refer to. This would make it hard to load up the bundled motions, so I left the description texts alone.

Screenshot below.

However, on second thought I am not sure I have the right to distribute this yet due to the copyright / software license :sad:. If someone wants to contact Kondo for permission, or can otherwise convince me that it's not illegal and unethical for me to distribute this thing, I am willing to distribute this patched English HTH4...

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I just finished translating HTH4 into English. It's 99% complete except for the 15 toolbox description texts because it appears that the program uses those descriptions in the motion files and HTH4 crashes upon loading the motion files because it can't find the tools that the motion files refer to. This would make it hard to load up the bundled motions, so I left the description texts alone.

Screenshot below.

However, on second thought I am not sure I have the right to distribute this yet due to the copyright / software license :sad:. If someone wants to contact Kondo for permission, or can otherwise convince me that it's not illegal and unethical for me to distribute this thing, I am willing to distribute this patched English HTH4...

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Post by Ausrobo » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:22 am

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Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:22 am

WOW !!! Well done.

I would really like a copy.

I have been trying to get by with the Japanese version but have real difficulty with the error messages - which I get lots of.

It must be legal to give this to people who have bought a legal version of H2H 4.

Perhaps Pedro can distibute via email to those that have purchased from Robosavvy??????
WOW !!! Well done.

I would really like a copy.

I have been trying to get by with the Japanese version but have real difficulty with the error messages - which I get lots of.

It must be legal to give this to people who have bought a legal version of H2H 4.

Perhaps Pedro can distibute via email to those that have purchased from Robosavvy??????
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Post by PedroR » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:29 pm

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Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:29 pm

Hi

With regards to distribution via email, I' am afraid I can't do that without Kondo's permission.

HOWEVER, what I believe can be done (and is legal) is just distributre the Resource Files (no EXE or DLL files).

I believe only a couple of files were modified so could please do the following:

1) Distribute ONLY the modified files.
This can be considered "derived work" because the files you modified have "your" work in them. You have the rights to all work you do so I think it should be ok.
If you don't distribute any original files (which are Kondo work) I think there should be no problem (including the EXE files for HTH4).

2) Write some instructions about how to apply the files to an existing HTH4 installation.


For your information we have made publicly available a subset of the instructions manual (sample) for KHR 3HV and HTH4.

Once again, only people who purchased the robot are entitled to have the full manuals. Kondo expressly forbids public distribution of these manuals.

- Heart to Heart 4 Manual
http://robosavvy.com/RoboSavvyPages/Sup ... Sample.pdf

- KHR 3HV Assembly
http://robosavvy.com/RoboSavvyPages/Sup ... Sample.pdf
Hi

With regards to distribution via email, I' am afraid I can't do that without Kondo's permission.

HOWEVER, what I believe can be done (and is legal) is just distributre the Resource Files (no EXE or DLL files).

I believe only a couple of files were modified so could please do the following:

1) Distribute ONLY the modified files.
This can be considered "derived work" because the files you modified have "your" work in them. You have the rights to all work you do so I think it should be ok.
If you don't distribute any original files (which are Kondo work) I think there should be no problem (including the EXE files for HTH4).

2) Write some instructions about how to apply the files to an existing HTH4 installation.


For your information we have made publicly available a subset of the instructions manual (sample) for KHR 3HV and HTH4.

Once again, only people who purchased the robot are entitled to have the full manuals. Kondo expressly forbids public distribution of these manuals.

- Heart to Heart 4 Manual
http://robosavvy.com/RoboSavvyPages/Sup ... Sample.pdf

- KHR 3HV Assembly
http://robosavvy.com/RoboSavvyPages/Sup ... Sample.pdf
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